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It is the interview show number 65 with Ryan Logan from influence WP coming up on WordPress plugins from A-Z.

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Well, good morning, good afternoon or good evening, wherever you had been hiding out there on the globe today coming to you direct from the brewery overlooking beautiful southern Vancouver Island. I’m John overall and this is the interview show number 65 with Ryan Logan from influence, WP influence, WP, a platform dedicated to enhancing the WordPress ecosystem. Amplifying the reach and impact of entities such as plugins, themes, agencies and communities, this was founded by Ryan and, well, welcome to the show, Ryan, I greatly appreciate you coming.

Here.

Thank you for having me, John. Appreciate the time.

Oh, not a problem. I’m always happy to spread more information. I’ve been actually looking forward to talking to you about this. This thing I’ve been playing with the platform myself off and on for the last week. And well, if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and why you created influence WP.

Yeah, I started off my career in 1997 in the IT industry, worked my way up to interim CIO before I left IT officially in 2019 after starting my own IT consulting business. During that time, I kept being asked over and over by clients. Can you build us a website? After saying no about 10 times, I I figured well, I’m missing some opportunities to help people and expand my business. So I taught myself WordPress and the rest is really history, but that’s started officially in 2014. And over the years, WordPress has just given me an amazing life. I. Can work from home. Work with my dogs right alongside me and things. Like that so. I always thought about how could I give back to WordPress and as somebody who specializes in building directories and connecting with. Partners, this was the best. Way that I knew how to give. Back to WordPress.

Yeah, it’s a great way to do it. Influence WP. You created a membership program here where you offer a free lifetime partner memberships. What was the idea behind this zero risk approach and how do you see it benefiting the WordPress community?

Again, it was. Just it was solely based on trying to give back to WordPress and you know these partners are obviously part of WordPress whether they have products or services. Just helping them get the word out in a very inexpensive, pretty much free manner. Building those relationships community and I’ve got some long term plans to even further help everybody again with pretty much a 0 cost approach just. It’s all about giving back to WordPress and that’s really about it. That’s the motivation.

You know, I I discovered it a few weeks ago, about a month or so ago. I’m I’m aware might I might have even been a tweet you sent out that sent me there looking at it and. When I discovered it, I found you had an interesting story as to what drove you to create this. You want to talk about that? Expand that a little bit or.

Yeah. To expand on it. So I’ve had a lot of clients over the years looking for solutions services. Constantly getting burned. For example, if someone is looking for a particular solution, they go out on the Internet and they know the things. It’s human nature. We’re going to type in discount for such and such plug in right? So they go down this rabbit hole of hitting all these deal websites that. Inject their affiliate links, their cookies and all of that stuff into their browser, oftentimes on the other end you there’s no deal. It’s just a fake play to get affiliate sales. So I would they would constantly come to me like Ryan, these these sites have injected malware like I was hit with like all these pop ups. I didn’t even get a deal. In the end, I’m pretty sure I awarded somebody that didn’t even really do anything to get this Commission and stuff like that. And so I just, I thought of for. Years I thought of like. Ways to solve this, and one of those ways was partnerships go to the go to these vendors and say, hey, I can introduce you to some people if you can give my folks a discount, you know, I’ll help you produce content, make introductions, things like that. So that was part of the partner. Ship and making that, you know, giving back in that way, but also solving a problem with fake deals and kind of putting those fake deal websites on notice. Like I’m not going to say that I’m going to eradicate those, but there’s a better alternative that is coming like that’s kind of where I’m headed.

Ah.

Eradicate, eradicate them is near impossible, but at least put a date in them and give people a more trusting place where they can find stuff and find a good deal on it.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, Dent is exactly the way that I pitched it. Like, just put a dent. In this, try to.

And help help help bring some more respectability back-to-back to the plug in industry and the other service and even the hosting industry itself is like I’ve been, I’ve been hosting for. Over 2026 years now, I’ve been a web host provider, but I’ve always stayed small and boutique style and I’ve been very selective on my clients over the years. And always limited it to clients I had or somebody come to me. They couldn’t just go in, create an account. I tried that once. Open it, let it create accounts. I got spam so fast it wasn’t funny. I think about those big guys. I think. How do they manage the insanity of the spammers? That’s. It.

MHM.

And it just helps to be able to create something that will limit people into. Having some faith and trust into what? What it’s doing?

Yeah, yeah. And the other piece too is like the partners will come to me and you’re like, well, this is too. Good to be true. Like you have some long term strategy that we just don’t know. About and it’s. Not going to be. Good. Once we get past that and I tell them the story of where this is going and where it’s at now, we get past that. But it’s also they’re like, OK, I can give you a discount. For the community, I see what you’re doing. There. But also I found like they’ll say, OK, here’s 20% off, right. I’m said. But you do know that I am not injecting affiliate links. You do know that I may be one of your best affiliates. That is never going to ask you to pay me out. With that in mind, can you give 5%? Can you give 10% more than you would somebody else? And that creates this environment where they still. Get all that? Exposure. They know they’re not going to have to payout one of their top affiliates. Potentially hopefully that. That extra cost. But they can up their discount and potentially get more customers. So it’s a win win for everyone.

Yeah, well, that was it. When I when I looked it over, at first I was like, well, maybe. And then I thought about it and I looked at it. So you know what I don’t give deals out very often, so at least I know from this the deals will come out to be much better. And you know what you’ve got there even in the few weeks since I first set up mine.

OK.

In here I’ve seen you’ve increased dramatically with it. Lots and lots more people are showing up on it.

Yeah, there’s. I literally have a backlog. This isn’t my full time job and but I treat it like I treat. I don’t, I don’t have to do anything. So I I’m doing this like it is my full time job, but it’s not. But I have this backlog that’s there’s still more in the pipeline. They’re coming every day. It’s just the time to get it out there.

Yeah, that one. That one’s always going to be a bit of a problem. Sure. Now I the other nice thing I’ve noticed you do on here and I can’t seem to find it on the website right now, but you create videos on the products on a. Regular basis.

If you go to. The footer you can find the channel or just go to YouTube and search for it.

OK, you don’t have them. You don’t have them posted on the website. I just know you’ve sent them. Out and I’ve gone and watched a few of the videos.

There should be. Yeah. There’s. Yeah. There you go. That YouTube channel link there. That will get you there.

Oh, there we go. OK, I’ll bring that up. So, yeah, you. You’ve created a lot of videos examining the plugins and such that people have been putting up on. For you and what do you find? I what I found interesting. It’s something that I used to do years ago, was training videos. And you’re doing them raw without having done a run through. Once. You’re doing it like first time you set it up to see the ease of it. How do you find that?

Mm-hmm.

MHM.

I found it extremely challenging. Because I I’ve done a lot of YouTube tutorials where like I know I know the solution inside. Now this is a unique challenge because I’ll I will get sometimes 20 minutes into a video and there’s problems right? So I have to go back to the vendor.

Yeah.

And I’m saying I I can’t publish this for. It’s not good for either one of us. So it’s a, it’s a, it’s a massive time suck and sometimes. The vendor doesn’t even under doesn’t understand that they. Have a problem so there’s. A benefit to them, and that I’ve pointed out as many many issues. Ohh thank you for pointing that out and then we’ll go and they’ll say OK Ryan, I fixed it. Can you do another video and then I’ll go do it. It kind of taints the first look a little bit but. Not entirely. I like to just do it in. The first run, that’s the ideal but. The truth of the matter is, doesn’t always work. Out that way.

Well, as I’ve learned over the years, with all the different plugins I’ve reviewed and tested and. And brought to bear. It’s like some of them, very easy to set up. Others you get into it. It seemed like a logical path and all of a sudden the wall and go. Oh, wait a minute happened here.

There’s also the there’s also the like. I don’t want to come across as like someone that doesn’t know anything about WordPress or technology like you get. So like I don’t understand what is going on here. Like, there’s no way that someone off the streets that doesn’t know WordPress is going to figure this out. So there’s value in that too.

There’s some value in it and the value and that that creates a nice value for the developers in that it makes. You are saleable for their products. If it’s easy to go through and set it up and anyone can get it. On the first run.

Yeah, yeah. And then there’s there’s also extended looks. That’s when I’m more familiar with the product, like on the screen there you see Debbie P Umbrella. So I can speak to to that more in depth.

1. Yeah.

Yeah, so, so I do different types. I try to do something that’s unique, something that other people aren’t doing just to keep it, you know, unique.

Yeah.

Well, that’s that’s something I’m bringing back again is my training videos. I used to have. I actually had training videos a couple of times over the years where the developer adopted it for their own into their into their plug-in documentation as a training video.

MHM.

Which I always found kind of amusing when that happened all of a sudden I get a video and getting hundreds of thousands of views. Is that what happened here is that ohh. The plugin developer adopted it.

Yeah. Yeah, that is tutorials are coming. That’s just the the the main focus now is populating the platform, getting the word out, yeah, tutorials will come, but right now. It’s it’s, it’s. About the partners, first and foremost and helping consumers also.

Yeah, well, slowly. It seems to be the words getting out. I’ve I’ve referred it off to a couple of my friends and one of them has has set himself. Up. On your site and I saw his, I saw. I saw you published his information. I went, oh, he finally did it.

OK.

No.

Yeah.

So yeah, it’s the it’s to help him because he builds, he builds and develops plugins. It’s web 321, but yeah, he. He builds some amazing plugins and he’s got another one that’s coming out here pretty soon when I’ve been helping him debug it. That’s always fun for me is debugging it. I love it when a developer throws me plugins here. Let’s see if you can help me solve some problems and so I’ll. Break it form.

Yeah, and that’s that’s one of the unique things that I would like to drive home to people I shows like this are really the only way thing that allows me to do it, unless somebody books a meeting with me. But when you have affiliate relationships, a lot of times what they do is they they get that like I I know because I’ve done this like you get that affiliate link. You might do a video. You might do a guide and you disappear you do. Really, you’re not really invested in the companies growth and success over time. What I’m trying to do differently with influence WP is I want partners to feel like I can ring up Ryan in an afternoon and say, hey, we’re about to launch this cool new feature. Can you take it for a spin? Let us know what you think. That’s the kind of unique stuff that I’m trying to do is have. Like a real relationship with folks and not just I don’t have affiliate links like literally, I don’t make any money off you. So setting up that unique relationship that I don’t think exists out there, the list that I know of.

Yeah. The other thought that came to me when I saw this was. It occurred after I cut an article. I can’t remember where I got it from the the slow death of the plug in not repositories. The plug in directories out there, such as in Vado and others. They’re slowly, they’re slowly dying right now. More and more people are moving away from plug-in developers.

MHM.

The plug in directories like that. The other is developers back when the plug-in directories were first created. It was the best way for developers to sell their plugins in a premium version because it went to a central point mainly because it wasn’t as easy to collect the money on your own website such as it is now. I mean, there’s so many easy ways to set up purchasing on your own website now, and so many of the developers, in fact a few of the ones that survived. Bottle I still use. They’ve stopped selling them in Novato. They sell them directly from their own website, and they have their own licensing system set up. And this is another way I think for people to find the trustworthy plugins, the ones that have someone sort of review them first, or at least understand a little bit about their functionality and them. I vetted the companies behind them. You know versus like typing into WordPress. What’s the best?

Yeah, yeah.

1. Calendar plug in and get 10,000 out of out of Google search and then try to pick which one might be good.

Yeah, you get a listicle that’s that is full of affiliate links. And again, yeah, I mean, it’s. That’s the kind of stuff I’m trying to put a dent in, as we said.

Yeah, there’s, there’s that too.

Yeah, yeah, the, the, the, the.

Affiliate Link ones drive me mental and I don’t even I don’t even look at them anymore. The top ten and everyone owns an affiliate link.

Yeah. And then it’s the whoever’s producing the content, their plug-in is. Like the top five.

OK.

There’s that one, too. There’s those ones, too. Yeah, you’ve got a little bit of everything in there, but in this one here, it’s like you’ve got a pretty good directory going between your SAS agencies, experts, podcast newsletters. Those steam plugins and thieves. So you know, you’ve pretty much covered the whole gambit of everything that’s needed for WordPress.

Yeah.

Yeah, I’ve, I’ve slowly, slowly. Whittled a couple out, taking a couple out, there wasn’t a lot of traction, for example. Unfortunately, I thought a big one would be communities, but I I took that one out. There was no traction. So I’m just kind of finding what people are really looking for and are interested in and just kind of, you know, fine tuning it. Yeah, I don’t want to just. Put out. Information. If no one’s really. Interested in it, but.

Yeah.

Now for some oddball questions here I’ve got here. Plugins themselves, they often live or die by the integration with other tools. How? How do you think influenced WP can facilitate connections like? Yeah.

That is a great question. My first thought goes to because it would be extremely time consuming on my part to like figure all that out and document all that out in the listings and filters and all of that. My first thought. Goes to community and I launched the I WP community. I think it was. Two weeks ago now. And I was trying. I’m trying to do unique, something unique there as well where I’m bringing in all of the partners. And consumers, which I don’t feel like other communities are doing that I feel like it’s like partners or in communities talking to other partners or consumers are talking to consumers or partners. You’re talking to their only their consumers and you have all these silos. But my thought was what if we can bring all of those people into one spot and. If somebody has an integration question, you’ve got the partners right there ready to. Answer it. That’s that’s where mine goes. My mind goes immediately for that sort of thing.

That’s an excellent idea about it and a question on that a little further is I’ve only begun playing with the community section of it. What? What I’m trying to find every time I have to find it, have to go back and find a link. You need a link somewhere off of the main site to it. UM. But would the different people be able to, say, send a message off to one of the partners in there? You know, in their community, like a message direct message and like like they do in Twitter, for example, for a better example. OK. So that’s all built in there.

100%. 100% yeah and. The beauty of it is I don’t know if you want to pull up. The Community page or not?

I don’t know where the link is.

It’s in the header.

Oh, that one there.

Yeah.

That one. Get me into it, yeah.

That will get you into explaining what. This this is this is about.

Yeah, it gets me in to explain what it is. I’m logged in right now, but we’ll just.

OK, I got you. I got you. So one of the ideas or the things that I pitch is because this platform is the way that it is, that automatically removes the bots, it removes the ads. You can work in specific dedicated spaces based on a topic and then I’ve got what you see there on your screen there it’s called the partner lounge and it’s like a secret space where just the partners can be in there and interact with each other and no one else can see what they’re talking about. So that’s where we can collaborate on stuff. Together in that space and the other beauty about this is unlike a social media platform is you can be in only the spaces you want to be in and you don’t even have to log into this. You can just sit on your phone.

OK.

And in your preference to say I I only want to get alerts when the partner lounge gets a post, you know otherwise like you think about the social media platforms, you just get everything right you. Know. So it’s a way that you can sit back and go about your day, do your job and you know, only get notified about what you want to get. Notified about. That’s another big feature.

And that’s a nice. That’s a nice feature, especially if somebody’s monitoring something or trying to do a deal or trying to communicate with one of the partners that has a plug in or something that they want to do. Some integration with.

Yeah, there’s other things. Too, like I’ve been in, I’ve kind of. Removed myself from most groups out there. On the web mainly. Because they don’t treat. You like professionals, so. We’re all. We’re all in this. We have to feed families, all that sort of thing. And I feel like if you have a valuable resource that that does have a monetary, you know, price tag. On it. I feel like as professionals, you should be able to share that with folks, not spam, but I feel like you should be able to share that if someone specifically asks, but a lot of these groups you get shamed and you get kicked out and you get banned and you get suspended and they don’t treat you like a professional like you’re like. They’re there to sell their stuff. In their agendas, and if you encroach on that, even for a second, it’s you got you have hell to pay. So this is trying to eliminate that and say, hey, you guys are professionals here. Like, let’s let’s let’s do this professional thing together. And not be penalized, right?

Well, I understand that one full well. I’ve been booted from one or two groups over the years for that exact thing, and I wasn’t even trying to sell something, but somebody had a question about something, but I’d already written a whole article explaining it, so I drop in the link to my article because I’m not going to reproduce the article for them there. And then I get slammed into the wall and it’s like, wait all I wanted to do was give them information they can buy from me if they want from my site. Yes. Granted, it’s to get people to see what I do.

Yep.

But I was solving their problem.

It just makes no sense. I literally recently posted and said someone asked the specific questions about building directories and I said happy to answer any of your questions and it was literally my top level domain name and that was it. I got suspended. I did. I’m like. I’m.

Out. Yeah, yeah, I’d say I’ve seen that. I’ve seen that done to me a couple of times over the years. It’s like, yeah, OK, it’s not worth it here. For me to try and help and solve problems. Yeah. I’ll just have to hope on a Google search they find my stuff and come find their problem.

Yeah. Yeah, but I’ll be fully transparent. That’s kind of how I operate. I don’t think this is going to work. I don’t think this is going to be around next month. And by that I mean the community aspect of influence WP unfortunately, unless something dramatically shifts. Because the only way that it really works is if the partners are willing to bring in their folks. That’s the only way that cross that cross contamination, if you will. This is.

Cross pollination cross pollination, not not contamination. We want to pollinate across the field.

What we’re doing?

You want to call.

Yeah, if they don’t do that and they’re not doing that currently, which it’s fine, you’re busy, you’re running a business. Maybe it just doesn’t make sense to you. It doesn’t work because everybody has their own communities, their own silos. They they seem to be comfortable. I was just trying to offer something for basically free that’s different. And in my opinion, better.

Yeah.

As they say you. Know they lead. A horse to water can’t make them. Drink type of thing.

Absolutely.

So I I hope it turns around I hope. It blows up, but I just I don’t. Think it’s going?

I hope so too, because it just seems like a very good resource to me and. You know, give it some time. Granted. You know, I think about, you know, how much time it took me to get something done from the time I signed up. You got me set and it took me another five days before I could get back to it. And now what happened also has to happen is I have to integrate this stuff into my daily routine of what I’m doing so that I’m. Checking these things initially, you know you’re spending 5-10 minutes on it, you know, or something catches my attention, so don’t don’t kill it. Don’t kill it too soon. Give it a little time to low end. You are relatively new. I mean, how long? How long has this site been up and running?

Middle of September right before some some things went on WordPress. Really.

It took that long for me to find it. Oh, my God. OK.

It launched at what I thought was possibly the worst time I could ever think to launch it, but people were like, no, we actually need this right now, so keep going.

Yeah.

We do. We do need this in the WordPress community right now the WordPress community is a bit of a. Conflagration, for lack of a better term, and it’s the time. What’s funny is that’s the time I decided to dive back in my business. I was slowly edging my way out of this industry and I was I’ve I’ve been doing a a urban farmstead for the last four years and I’d slowly edged down to where I was doing. Like 20% Internet stuff for a while, but this last year I had some life changes happen and I went OK. OK, go back to my business and my roots and I decided to turn this business my business around here, make the my podcast more prominent than it has been for the last several years. Bring back all the interviews I used to do. It’s like yours labeled 65, but it’s actually somewhere around 195. You’re 65 since I started counting them.

OK.

OK.

But I had done I I was looking back at my history and you can go. You can’t find it on WP plugins website but on johnoverall.com you can go all the way back to episode 1 of my show is that’s where I published it for years and years and that’s where it started. And I’ve got over. We’ve got over 600. And. 4050 episodes of the podcast and when I searched up interview shows I had over 150 plus. So it’s like I’ve done a lot in this in this aspect, but.

Well.

Now I’m bringing it back and what I’m having to do is I’m having to reincorporate many of the things I used to do into my daily routines, such as, you know, such as the WP influence community. So don’t let it die too soon. Give it time. It took me if you launched in September, I only discovered it in January, February. Thank you.

Yeah, I’m specifically talking about, like, the community. That’s the separate platform, not IDP. That’s gonna continue for sure.

No, but hey, even your community separate platform, right? Give it a few months, give it a few months for for more people to, for more people to find it and realize.

However.

The value in it and that’s the hard part is, you know, people find things and then they got to figure out, well, how is it valuable to me? And they’ve got to monitor a few things or they’ve got to get some questions or need more questions and more questions and then people to answer questions a few. Times. Once, once it gets moving, I think it’s going to I think it’s going to. Rock for you. I really do. It’s just it just, it just looks like something that has it. It’s if it’s after six months, it’s not moving. Well. Yeah. OK. You’ve given it the the lifespan it needs.

1. All right. Thank you.

That’s my opinion. That’s my opinion, you know.

Yeah, I mean, you’re not the first. You’re not the first to say that. I.

Just I don’t know it can. It can seem. It can seem like nothing’s happening. I’ve I’ve done that myself. It’s like I do things. It seems like nothing’s happening. And then all of a sudden, boom. There it goes.

Yeah. It’s just it’s it’s just a little disheartening when you build something you you think everybody needs and wants and and then turns out that may not be the case, bumps bums me out a little bit, but. Is what it is, yeah.

Well, we’ve got everything moving on moving, moving forward. There’s lots of other things that are happening and. They pop up couple other random questions I’ve written down for when I got stalled like this. Here’s here’s a good one. If you could create a dream WordPress plug in something Wilder out-of-the-box, what would it be and how would there be or influence WP help market?

Something wild, huh? Although a lot of the things that I hear if you actually go to the home page of influence WP, you’ll see some quotes from some very well known folks in the WordPress industry. And the quotes that you see at the towards the top of the page, I. Think it’s like right after the hero.

Up.

Right there, right. Yeah. These quotes I heard after I launched influence WP and punched these in here. And every time I heard them on the podcast and stuff like that, I was like nodding my head. Like, yes, behind the scenes, this is what developers, the developers are telling me. Not like my website, but my plugin is amazing, but my website doesn’t look good. I’m like you guys don’t have an about page with your team like I buy it from people and faces and they’re like, that’s a good idea, Ryan, like, these people know how to build products and services, but anything outside of that and the marketing, the maybe they’re just big time introverts like for me, I spent my. 95% of my entire WordPress career behind the scenes not talking to anyone, and I’ve recently came out and started talking to partners and put myself out there on social media and stuff because you have to like you, you have you absolutely have to if you’re going to do something like this.

Yeah.

But there’s even still some of these vendors don’t want to do that, so they are coming to influence TWP and and I’m doing it for them. It’s part of part of, you know, part of what’s going on. So I’ll run them through the whole thing. You know, we’ll do the first look video maybe six months down the road if I’m using that particular solution, I’ll do. An extended look. Like I said, if they reach out to me in an afternoon, so Ryan, we launched a new feature. Can you can you do a video on it or at least look at it for us and then maybe I do a video and introduce that feature.

And.

I’ll just run them through the whole process, multiple layers, hopefully get them into the community, so they’re talking to other consumers that aren’t their direct consumers cross pollinating.

Yeah. Well, that’s the whole thing. You got to keep cross pollinating across all the different aspects between it and yeah, a lot of developers they are for semi introverted and they don’t know marketing because marketing is not their skill set. Their skill set is creating a beautifully functioning plugin or a theme or whatever to make it the job easier for people but marketing the people is, you know, they say you hear that if you build it, they will come. Well, that’s not entirely true.

Right. I could tell you. I’m going through something right now. Where you talk, you’re talking. About a plug in specifically, I mean it applies to anything really. I just launched another. I launched another business that it’s more. It’s in the SAS space, but you know it benefits WordPress people. And because it’s outside of the WordPress ecosystem specifically like I’m like a fish out of water like I would normally just be like, OK, I’m gonna go to the WordPress folks. This is not a slam dunk, but eat closer to 1. But now it’s like I have this sass thing and it’s like now what? So I know what it feels like. To not know where to go like and who to talk to. You know, it’s like, do you go spend $5000 on ads? Do you first start with an influenced WP? Partner up, run a giveaway, get the word out there. You know, that’s another thing we have talked about is, you know, the giveaways is a is a cool thing.

Yeah, well.

Tell us about. Tell us about the.

Oh.

Giveaways. I forgot to mention this, so yeah.

Yeah. So I what I do is I have the software and you you literally say Ryan, this is what I want to give away and that’s it. That’s that’s all you really need to tell me if you have specific actions you want people to take like subscribe your YouTube channel, visit your product page, subscribe to your newsletter, whatever that may be, you can tell me what those acts. Things are that it saves these people from having to take the time out of their day to to research what software they’re going to use, manage the software, set up the giveaway, remind everybody that there’s a giveaway going on, you know, every few days, reach out to the winners, reach out to the, you know, it’s there’s a lot of work that goes into it.

This I know that one we used to run giveaways on our.

Yeah. Oh.

Yeah. So I take all that off their plate and I don’t charge anything for it. It’s just part of your free membership, right? It’s awesome. And as influenced WP grows, that’s those giveaways are just going to become even crazier and crazier as far as the reach. But like this week probably, I think tomorrow we’re giving away 100.

Yeah.

Licenses up from a partner like it’s. Just it’s crazy.

It’s pretty cool.

But yeah.

Thinking of that, tell us. Tell us a bit about. We may have covered it and it’s that I have. But you talked about the free membership. On influence WP, what is required for that? What is? What does it take to get the free membership?

Literally 1 requirement supply a discount that is at least equal to the best offer you have on the web, so I’m not asking for you to give me 10% more than you give anyone else. I just equal treatment that gets you in because we are creating at that point a trusted resource. For a deal right, you’re also again not getting that affiliate link injected in there. You’re not going to ever pay me out that sort of thing. Consumers can trust when they click on that link, they know what’s on the other side. I do. There’s been situations since we started this where a partner will say accidentally. UPS their discount and Trump’s the one on influence. P and I just do reach out to a gentle nudge and just remind them that this is all free, you know? Is this temporary what you’re doing is this long term? Can you increase our deal? Well, you know. That, that’s that’s really the only rule is supply a deal that’s equal to the best you’re offering and don’t on your own website Trump our deal because then there’s it’s it’s it doesn’t make sense at that point, right.

Makes about as much makes about as much sense as those companies that give all the new new people discounts. While their long term clients are paying full price. Hey, that’s all right. My dogs being quiet right now, he’s snoozing.

Yeah. So that’s it. It’s good. Yes, sorry about that, yeah. Hi.

OK.

I’m. I’m shocked it took this long, but. But that’s it. Really. Like it’s it’s I like. If you go to. The pricing page I literally tell you like do not give me money. Please just like you. Know. But even if you want you. Can’t I have people that just drive by and give me pay for an annual membership because it doesn’t cost anything really. It’s cheap, super cheap.

Hey, it’s 13th.

I have people I have. Yeah, I. Have people I’ve never even met before. Heard of that? Are like they place an order and they don’t ask me for anything. They just like I love what? You’re doing, but yeah, if you come in and you really want to be a part of it and you can’t supply a discount for whatever reason, it’s stupid cheap to get in and I’ll do all the same work for you. It’s. Yeah, that’s it.

That’s quite excellent.

The deal is the only requirement.

On the whole, I’m looking forward to seeing how influenced WP grows. And it’s just a great resource to me and I’m spreading it out as much as I possibly can with my limited reach.

Appreciate that.

Hope hoping that more people come in and join it. I’m looking forward to more and more of the stuff. If you’ve got a backlog, I’m looking more forward to more and more of it coming in. Hopefully some of the plugins that I would like to use for myself and my clients start showing up. Here.

Yeah. And for you and anyone out there listening like if you want somebody to partner with influence WP like you just said, maybe you have, you’ve got your eye on something.

It’s.

Always feel free to reach out to me or reach out to the developer and say hey, you guys go partner with influenced WP whatever.

Well.

It’s a nice way to help get them out there and get themselves some some really good clients and.

Yeah.

A lot of times when you get when you get the clients that need and understand the stuff, you get the clients that require the least amount of service calls.

Yeah.

They’re the ones that they reach out to you only when something seriously wrong. It’s like I don’t reach out to the support very often, but when I do reach out to support, it’s a problem.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And.

And it’s something they need to solve. So.

Yeah, I’ve alluded to this recently on X Twitter. I did a poll titled group Buying, so I had a unique. I have a unique idea for the community. If it sticks around to ever reach out to partners and we get there buying and we say, hey, you’ve got a. You’ve got a lifetime deal. It’s $2000. It might be out of reach for most of us, but together we, you know, maybe we have your blessing like you’re you’re OK if 25 of us go in on your $2000 lifetime deal. And you now instead of having customers off the streets, you now have 25 professionals. That are probably not going to ask you for very much help. Do we have your blessing to go in and buy this as part of a group buy? And we don’t. You technically don’t even have to get that blessing, but this is kind of the way I operate and I think it’s nice to say hey. We’re going to. Do this potentially you know what do you think? And it may even be a situation where, like, you know, thanks for coming to me. Here’s 10% off. Yeah. Like something like that. But the idea is to get these people, those people, into the community and working with all of us so they know we’ve got the group deal they know. We’re going to be. Educating our own clients and customers about their product. Perhaps they could be in there in these groups, these spaces in the community and we’re all helping each other, right? It it reduces the support burden on them. So there’s benefits to them, right?

Yeah.

Individual people aren’t going and filling out a contact form asking for help. We are all basically supporting each other because likely if one person has an issue, we all likely have something close to it going on.

Absolutely.

So it’s kind of like crowdfunding support, sort of.

Yeah, it does. It does sound like crowdfunding.

All right, well.

We’ve been at it for quite a while. We’re going to call it this point here. This is a point where you get to, you’ll tell everyone out there where they can find you and what they what they need to contact you.

Yeah, just just go to influencewp.com and it’s all there. Very easy to reach. Contact me anytime.

Well, thank you, Ryan. I greatly appreciate you taking the time out of your day to come show up here and I look forward to the expansion of the influence WP. It’s a. Been interesting to watch and I kind of enjoy it.

I appreciate that, John. Thanks again for having me. I know how much time this. This all takes.

Oh yeah, the podcasting itself takes a lot of time. I’ve still got a few. I’ve still got a few other things I need to.

Yep.

I know how much time it takes and greatly. Appreciated.

Alright, I just suddenly started choking.

That’s OK.

It’s some liquid in me. All right, let’s try this. Yeah. Nice thing is, is I don’t have video on here, so people don’t get to see me choking into a glass. It’s all audio and that’s the way I intend to keep it for a long time to come. Nice. All right. Well, little bit. Don’t run away on me. I’m just going to play out to our our end up show credits and don’t. Run off on me.

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